tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post2074206001715767569..comments2022-11-11T22:28:52.909+00:00Comments on Middle Class Dub: Islamophobia and Antisemitism: Same message, different minority.Colm Ó Broinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08253947161759084842noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-25777567778037354362014-03-15T01:48:14.093+00:002014-03-15T01:48:14.093+00:00Maths does not seem to be your strong point, so I&...Maths does not seem to be your strong point, so I'll give you a hand.<br /><br />There are 7.149 billion human beings on the planet.<br /><br />7.149 - 1.3 = 5.849<br /><br />1.3 billion Muslims.<br /><br />5.849 billion non-Muslims.<br /><br />See if you can spot which is the bigger number.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613751687727443873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-81304356026274847662012-09-23T16:20:34.492+01:002012-09-23T16:20:34.492+01:00Don't forget the odius Col. Kevin Myers and hi...Don't forget the odius Col. Kevin Myers and his INM buddy Ian 'i am a racist' O'Doherty who spew out vile stuff about Muslims and indeed immigrants in general using the most obscene stereotypes. Well, they abuse just about anyone they don't like. Lest they be reminded that their columns frequently find there way onto BNP websites. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-77347422333934965682012-09-21T04:21:17.834+01:002012-09-21T04:21:17.834+01:00How much against us. I am so surprised. I mean I u...How much against us. I am so surprised. I mean I understand that people have extremist views on both ends but for love of God killing of all 1.8 billion.. I mean what the hell... Dose this guy even no me or my 3 year old daughter along with other 1.8 billion muslims? But he has no problem advoacting killing of all with no distrinction at all. May God have mercy on state of Humaniy. Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-61652324853063332932012-09-21T04:12:15.947+01:002012-09-21T04:12:15.947+01:00So as per Spencer only a small fringe group i.e. A...So as per Spencer only a small fringe group i.e. Al Qaeda in the whole muslim world got the actual meaning of Islam? What an insult to rest of us. Also he is not doing any favour to his country or humanity by trying to persuade muslims on his version of Islam. The good thing is that most muslims will not buy any interpetation of Islam from Spancer who clearly has a ... bias (Understatment of the century :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-38764751662266078972012-09-20T16:59:57.760+01:002012-09-20T16:59:57.760+01:00Spencer, EDL, Mad Mel, Douglas Murray, not to ment...Spencer, EDL, Mad Mel, Douglas Murray, not to mention a few mainstream Muzzie-bashing UK politicians - they all puke into the same vomitorium, however respectable their sick.Yakoubhttp://www.steampunkshariah.info/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-88822952864398149082012-09-20T16:33:40.010+01:002012-09-20T16:33:40.010+01:00People like Robert Spencer & Pamela Geller pro...People like Robert Spencer & Pamela Geller provide the mood music for the likes of Henry Jackson Society & Center for Social Cohesion who in turn provide an intellectual base for the likes of the BNP & EDL.mostly harmlessnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-33663128000595410442012-09-19T22:20:59.741+01:002012-09-19T22:20:59.741+01:00FYI I deleted a comment that included a derogatory...FYI I deleted a comment that included a derogatory term for Muslims - I don't allow terms like that about Muslims or any other community on this blog.Colm Ó Broinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15355888629941490877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-49716446429777123772012-04-12T21:34:53.439+01:002012-04-12T21:34:53.439+01:00Thank you Anonymous.
Raoul, I'm not that fam...Thank you Anonymous. <br /><br />Raoul, I'm not that familiar with what Lenin, Trotsky or Stalin wrote but I do knowt they demonized sections of the Russian population, the aristocracy, capitalists and the kulaks for example and murdered many thousands of them. I'd recommend Gulag by Anne Applebaum for an insight into the appaling crimes of the USSR.<br /><br />I don't see how that justifies what Spencer does. When you're using the exact same Bible verse ('turn the other cheek') as Julius Streicher, to demonize a religious group you really have to take a good look at what you're doing.<br /><br />Also FYI close associates of Spencer and Geller have endorsed violence and genocide against Muslims. <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t78VIKDTJeg<br /><br />http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/08/03/890055/-SIOA-co-founder-kill-your-liberal-relatives-and-all-MuslimsColm Ó Broinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15355888629941490877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-23558083291304777942012-03-31T19:01:17.393+01:002012-03-31T19:01:17.393+01:00Thank you very much for this wonderful post. Spenc...Thank you very much for this wonderful post. Spencer is no scholar, he's just an extremist who is funded to do his job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-81727973933901075532012-02-14T08:39:44.377+00:002012-02-14T08:39:44.377+00:00What a heap of cerebral dung you served up here, c...What a heap of cerebral dung you served up here, comrade Broin. First of all 1.3 billion and the second largest religious group on this planet makes not exactly a minority, does it? <br /><br />Next you think it smart to align verifyable quotes from Islamic scripture and facts held up by Spencer with the phantasmological Elders of Zion babble of Herrn Streicher? <br />Get real!<br /><br />How about you align the Streicher utterances with similar nonsense from Lenin, Trotzki or Stalin addressing the arch enemies of the proletariat? <br /><br />No Spencer, Horowitz, Geller, Bat Ye'Or, Falacci or Wilders has ever killed or threatend to kill anyone. <br /><br />Spot the contrast to millions murdered by the Nazis, Fascists, Marxists and Islamists? Grow a brain!Raoul Machalhttp://www.google.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-83287065059236713652011-11-10T12:54:36.728+00:002011-11-10T12:54:36.728+00:00Robert Spencer has responded to the post, sort of....Robert Spencer has responded to the post, sort of.<br /><br />"This latest mass murder in the name of Islam and jihad comes as Islamic supremacists in the U.S. are pushing with renewed fervor the discredited meme that "Muslims are the new Jews," and that resistance to the jihad and Islamic supremacism is equivalent to Nazism and tending toward genocide, with anti-jihadists cast as Nazi propagandists. Aside from the obvious facts, such as that anti-jihadists oppose the killing of innocents, detention camps, etc., and are standing for human rights, jihadist actions like this one show just how grotesque that comparison really is: it is equating the victims of earlier mass murders -- the Jews of Europe -- with the perpetrators of mass murders today."<br /><br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/11/nigeria-islamic-jihadists-boast-of-murdering-67-people.html<br /><br />Either he is being dishonest by claiming that I'm comparing treatment of Jews in Nazi Germany with treatment of terrorists today, or he is making a blanket statment that 'Muslims' are "the perpetrators of mass murders" - which would confirm what I said he was doing.<br /><br />Also the claim that anti-jihadists oppose the killing of innocents is not true as the quote in the main article from Spencer's colleague, John Joseph Jay, clearly shows. <br /><br />"old fashion war with wholesale slaughter including indiscriminate death of innocents and babes. down to the last muslim, if necessary."<br /><br />http://middleclassdub.blogspot.com/2011/10/internet-crusaders-target-all-muslims_31.html<br /><br />There are other examples of 'anti-jihadists' calling for mass killings of Muslims, when Osama Bin Laden was killed Debbie Schuessel said "one down 1.8 billion to go...many of ‘em inside U.S. borders".<br /><br />http://www.debbieschlussel.com/36592/whoa-osama-bin-laden-dead-but-wont-make-much-diff-amid-growin-islamic-threat-to-west/Colm Ó Broinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15355888629941490877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-38957336881598089502011-11-08T08:50:51.207+00:002011-11-08T08:50:51.207+00:00And besides, 20 to 25 lunatic fanatics, of 911, Sh...And besides, 20 to 25 lunatic fanatics, of 911, Should constitute a Police action by the injured party- Not BLOODY world War 3! I mean really-think everyone has themselves hyped into this "global war against terror" Correct me if I am wrong but By Definition, is that not WW 3?jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08857021080383352738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-34666192636777666722011-11-08T08:37:53.077+00:002011-11-08T08:37:53.077+00:00Salam (Peace baby)Alaykoom: Right on ! It's ju...Salam (Peace baby)Alaykoom: Right on ! It's just not Cricket, is it then?jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08857021080383352738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-27437166948958304672011-11-04T02:10:25.931+00:002011-11-04T02:10:25.931+00:00Svend, from what I've read and heard from Spen...Svend, from what I've read and heard from Spencer et al, they seem to begin by saying that Islam is violent, Muslims wants to conquer the world etc. When someone counters this point they say that it must be true because Al Qaeda, the Taliban etc say so. It sounds like a circular argument.Colm Ó Broinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15355888629941490877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-62740261228473444732011-11-03T17:12:13.262+00:002011-11-03T17:12:13.262+00:00Thanks for the thought-provoking comparisons. I th...Thanks for the thought-provoking comparisons. I think you're dead-on, but there's one thing I think needs to be highlighted lest the Islamophobes weasel out of responsibility for their demagoguery. A critical fact to remember when considering their claims is how the snippets of classical medieval texts that they cite ad nauseam to "prove" that Islam and Muslims are inherently antithetical to modern Western values are not interpeted the same by most Muslims. When the Spencers of the Islamophobic intellectual swamp claim to be simply "citing chapter and verse" and cram their screeds full of impressive-seeming footnotes, it's important remember that a very fundamental problem often remains in their "scholarship": very few modern Muslim scholars agree that these decontextualized facts apply in the way that the Islamophobes claim, and the few that DO are the off-their-rocker extremists that Spencer and company claim to be fighting (but whom they ironically support by tirelessly working to marginalize other, more intelligent and theologically moderate Muslim voices that aren't, to be frank, political sell-outs if not bizarre self-haters)! They bash a straw religion, but one that's very cleverly dressed up to look like the Real McCoy, and exploit ignorance of how differently religious authority functions and evolves in Islam compared to that of Christendom to spread fear and hatred. Thankfully, people are slowly waking up to the fraud they've perpetrated on Western political life and the need for more balanced, intellectually honest discussions of the very real challenges we face today in interfaith relations around the world.svendhttp://akramsrazor.typepad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-62666818809628357492011-11-03T11:38:00.335+00:002011-11-03T11:38:00.335+00:00Thanks Anonymous 1 & 2 - here is a description...Thanks Anonymous 1 & 2 - here is a description of a blasphemy case Jewish groups in Germany took against Streicher - it will sound eerily familiar.<br /><br /><br />“In its decision, the court stressed the difficulty of evaluating exact meanings of certain sections of Jewish law, particularly when presented in translation. The judges agreed that it was difficult to determine the exact extent to which specific arguments in the Zohar, the Talmud, or the Torah might be considered valid in contemporary German society. They also conceded that the defendants gave the impression of being extraordinarily well-read in Jewish law and its esoterica. These very facts, however, worked to their condemnation. A man with the specific knowledge Streicher had manifested day after day in court should be well aware that he could not hope to use material dating from the Middle Ages to describe behavior patterns in the Weimar Republic. He should also be aware that the meanings of the passages cited were by no means as plain as Der Sturmer asserted week after week.”<br /><br /><br />http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=395155Colm Ó Broinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15355888629941490877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-2787661004110672522011-11-03T10:22:49.537+00:002011-11-03T10:22:49.537+00:00Thank you so much for putting this together.
I ...Thank you so much for putting this together. <br /><br />I think of Der Sturmer every time I hear the anti-Muslims quoting (and interpreting) Qur'an lines as if it proves some violent essence of the religion. <br /><br />That's exactly what Streicher did with the Old Testament. He said those violent scripture lines told the real and complete truth about millions of Jewish people and their diverse lives and beliefs. <br /><br />If you want to know about Islam, get to know some Muslims. The same with Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism - the religion is the people. Stop saying things about Muslims unless you've talked with them about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8166262999454816353.post-67703697811682893652011-11-01T12:12:10.296+00:002011-11-01T12:12:10.296+00:00bloody good post, excellent referencing so no one ...bloody good post, excellent referencing so no one can refute the evidence you have presented in a calm and calculated manner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com